G4 CANBUS Steering Wheel Remote Control

[JKM]

Originally Posted by ccsnet

Mines an 07 Vectra SRi ( full can bus - not the same as 06 downwards ) - that been said I thnink baj is talking about getting a USB version for us lot and not just adding compatibtly to the one you have for the G4..... certainly thats what I'm after.

Terran

Terran,

Yes in my previous post I said that USB is not possiable but we can output to RS232 (Com Port).
What we currently have is many CAN-BUS interfaces one for each different type of vehicle that can connect to the vehicles CAN-BUS system and register it's self on the CAN-BUS network as a valid device. This small box then listens for certian CAN-BUS data (i.e. Ingition on, Reverse Gear, Illuminations, Speed Pulse etc and a few more), the Vauxhall boxes are more intelligent and will give you back full control via the stalk to your HU controls (i.e Clock settings etc).
The other end of the box connects directly to the G4 passing steering wheel control data and all of the CAN-BUS data I mentioned above.

What we are sugessting is we can already communicate correctly to a massive range of vehicles (See pages 2 and 3 of this thread). As well as providing the solid cable outputs for the above, we can add a RS232 Com port on a cable that plugs into the same box, and this will just output all the CAN-BUS data that we are reading in RAW format. We can then write a small dll (sdk) which will read the data from the COM PORT and make it in readable string format. You can then bring this data into any program you want.

This will then make our boxes multifunctional, and very powerful, not only offering a true ISO installation giving proper igntion live etc feeds, but it will also enable you to read RAW data from the CAN-BUS network.

Let me know if we are on the right track.

Regards

Matt @ JKM

[Baj]

Theoretically it has the power to be a very useful thing; turning on the reverse cam automatically, changing gamma/skin when the lights go on, adjusting volume with speed etc as well as giving back dead buttons.
RS252 is as good as USB as far as I am concerned (I dont know bout any cable length resrictions but I am sure there are some).

The box is only half the problem though as it will still need some codey people to utilise it properly. Something that is beyond me.

Price would be a major factor in its success too I fear.

One question, how would the canbus signal get into the box? I assume different manufacturers have different connectors.

[ccsnet]

Originally Posted by JKM

Terran,

Yes in my previous post I said that USB is not possiable but we can output to RS232 (Com Port).
What we currently have is many CAN-BUS interfaces one for each different type of vehicle that can connect to the vehicles CAN-BUS system and register it's self on the CAN-BUS network as a valid device. This small box then listens for certian CAN-BUS data (i.e. Ingition on, Reverse Gear, Illuminations, Speed Pulse etc and a few more), the Vauxhall boxes are more intelligent and will give you back full control via the stalk to your HU controls (i.e Clock settings etc).
The other end of the box connects directly to the G4 passing steering wheel control data and all of the CAN-BUS data I mentioned above.

What we are sugessting is we can already communicate correctly to a massive range of vehicles (See pages 2 and 3 of this thread). As well as providing the solid cable outputs for the above, we can add a RS232 Com port on a cable that plugs into the same box, and this will just output all the CAN-BUS data that we are reading in RAW format. We can then write a small dll (sdk) which will read the data from the COM PORT and make it in readable string format. You can then bring this data into any program you want.

This will then make our boxes multifunctional, and very powerful, not only offering a true ISO installation giving proper igntion live etc feeds, but it will also enable you to read RAW data from the CAN-BUS network.

Let me know if we are on the right track.

Regards

Matt @ JKM

Missed the bit about the com port.... well - either a serial to usb adaptor would do but if you where able to add say the prolific chip to your design it could be an all in one then.

Coding - I'm no good although I do plan to use CF2 very soon ( just waiting for the release etc ) so I guess ask you resell their stuff you could get David to support it directly.

Re every one else - if you give it an SDK and may be ask CDR he might do some thing seeing as he is a coding god, and owns a Vectra - but thats half canbus.....

Is there any thing I can do to help then as you mentioned before especially as I know there is a major diffrent in the canbus setups in the Vectras and even Blaupunts proper Canbus adaptor does not work with mine. ( half can bus = buttons on the steering wheel full canbus = thumb wheels instead )

Terran

Originally Posted by Baj

Theoretically it has the power to be a very useful thing; turning on the reverse cam automatically, changing gamma/skin when the lights go on, adjusting volume with speed etc as well as giving back dead buttons.
RS252 is as good as USB as far as I am concerned (I dont know bout any cable length resrictions but I am sure there are some).

The box is only half the problem though as it will still need some codey people to utilise it properly. Something that is beyond me.

Price would be a major factor in its success too I fear.

One question, how would the canbus signal get into the box? I assume different manufacturers have different connectors.

[JKM]

Hi,

This is how it all works, just to clear things up.

You buy 1 JKM CAN-BUS box (price will be much lower than £100, but cannot give accuracy as yet). When you buy the box you tell us what car it is going in, and we provide you with the correct harness that plugs into your vehicles standard connectors located behind the dash (where the stereo plugs into).
The other end of the JKM CAN-BUS box, will have a COM Port, and ISO block connector.

The COM Port will plug into the computer of your choice, and you just install JKM's software to access the information. GUYS DO NOT WORRY ABOUT CODING, JKM IS A SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT HOUSE, THIS WE CAN LOOK AFTER. JKM also work very close with Fluxmedia and JKM develop many plugins for CF so this would be no issue.

The ISO block connector will have ignition live, illuminations, speed pulse, reverse gear sensors that are automatically detected by the CAN-BUS adapter. The ISO block connector is also designed to just attach directly to any aftermarket stereo, and obviously JKM's version of the Infill G4. As on the ISO block you also have Ground, Permenant Live, Antenna, Amp On, Tel Mute etc (all the cables a standard ISO connector has), you can use this all to power your incar computer saftley and work correctly from ignition etc. This is how JKM's version of the Infill G4 is currently operating and works wonderfully, so there is no reason why it will not work for any other incar computer.

And it all will be as simple as that!!

Matt @ JKM

[ccsnet]

Originally Posted by JKM

Hi,

This is how it all works, just to clear things up.

You buy 1 JKM CAN-BUS box (price will be much lower than £100, but cannot give accuracy as yet). When you buy the box you tell us what car it is going in, and we provide you with the correct harness that plugs into your vehicles standard connectors located behind the dash (where the stereo plugs into).
The other end of the JKM CAN-BUS box, will have a COM Port, and ISO block connector.

The COM Port will plug into the computer of your choice, and you just install JKM's software to access the information. GUYS DO NOT WORRY ABOUT CODING, JKM IS A SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT HOUSE, THIS WE CAN LOOK AFTER. JKM also work very close with Fluxmedia and JKM develop many plugins for CF so this would be no issue.

The ISO block connector will have ignition live, illuminations, speed pulse, reverse gear sensors that are automatically detected by the CAN-BUS adapter. The ISO block connector is also designed to just attach directly to any aftermarket stereo, and obviously JKM's version of the Infill G4. As on the ISO block you also have Ground, Permenant Live, Antenna, Amp On, Tel Mute etc (all the cables a standard ISO connector has), you can use this all to power your incar computer saftley and work correctly from ignition etc. This is how JKM's version of the Infill G4 is currently operating and works wonderfully, so there is no reason why it will not work for any other incar computer.

And it all will be as simple as that!!

Matt @ JKM

Well - I'm up for that..... although it would be nice if it was USB straight off its not a show stopper....

( My CPU is in the boot so every thing is USB you see ).

Terran

EDIT Looks like I can loose my Parrot SOT 122 cable asuming there is enough length ( my heads in the glove box )

[Baj]

A lot of PCs are in the boot hence my comment about serial lead length.
Apart from that it all sounds good.

[Aero Savant]

Excuse me if I'm being thick, I've got a Saab 9-5 (2002). Having removed the HU to fit the touch screen I've not only lost control of all the stering wheel control functions, I've also lost the use of the CD stacker in the boot.
Is there any way that this could be returned to use. It's not the end of the world if that's not possible, just curious, I'm actually more interested whether your system would be compatible as it's not on your list. I'm running an Intel Mac mini with Parallels, so that might rule out the RS 232 connection option.

Colin

[JKM]

Hi,

The reason why it will NOT be USB is because of the cost to implement. This is because our small CAN-BUS box behind the dash has no real strong processing strength. We use simple small processors that are fast and do the job just nicley. To implement USB, we need an ARM processor that supports USB devices so we can communicate to the USB port, this is the real cost hitter, and it hits hard. Our production costs would double just for USB and it would push the retail cost of the box to over £170. This cost would be better spent else where, as we would never recover our development costs.

So we have to keep things real, to make it all real. Like mentioned in previous post a cost of serial to usb converter is cheaper to purchase and connect to our unit. I am sure we could source some RS232 Com to USB adapters cheaply in bluk for this anyway and sell it as an option.

Matt @ JKM

The serial port signal should travel the length of the car with out loosing data packets, if not then a USB convertor will boost the signal and you will be able to send the data about 10 meters easily.

Our current CAN-BUS adapters for the Infill G4 car computer work out retail £45 + VAT on average.

Regards

Matt @ JKM

[ccsnet]

Matt.... I think this is the right one I had in mind.....

http://www.prolific.com.tw/eng/Products.asp?ID=59

Basically you still have your com port out of your kit in to this little fellow which then changes it to the USB bit.... Prolific supply most of the chips in these USB-Serial adpators or devices that need them ( GPSs are a very good example )..... and you dont need a mega processor so YOUR design can stay the same.

Terran

[nce]

Matt, i want one, but i have a suzuki grand vitara from 2006, do you think it will work.

Thomas Denmark

[JKM]

Originally Posted by nce

Matt, i want one, but i have a suzuki grand vitara from 2006, do you think it will work.

Thomas Denmark

Hi Thomas,

Suzuki Grand Virata is none CAN-BUS for the stereo, it only has the OBDII port. Does it have steering wheel controls? We may be able to get them working but this would only be with the JKM Infill G4 car computer. Your vehicle does have double din opening so installation would be really neat, as we also can provide full installation services etc. Any ways I am not on a sales pitch, just want to get the universal CAN-BUS system up and running.

Matt @ JKM

[JKM]

Originally Posted by Aero Savant

Excuse me if I'm being thick, I've got a Saab 9-5 (2002). Having removed the HU to fit the touch screen I've not only lost control of all the stering wheel control functions, I've also lost the use of the CD stacker in the boot.
Is there any way that this could be returned to use. It's not the end of the world if that's not possible, just curious, I'm actually more interested whether your system would be compatible as it's not on your list. I'm running an Intel Mac mini with Parallels, so that might rule out the RS 232 connection option.

Colin

Hi Colin,

Saab is not a very popular car, so unfortunatly there is not a lot of aftermarket equipement support for these vehicles. At the moment you will have lost the CD changer functionality. The steering wheel controls may be recoverable, but we would need to figure the Saab CAN-BUS language out to get this working.

Matt @ JKM

[ccsnet]

Originally Posted by JKM

Hi Colin,

Saab is not a very popular car, so unfortunatly there is not a lot of aftermarket equipement support for these vehicles. At the moment you will have lost the CD changer functionality. The steering wheel controls may be recoverable, but we would need to figure the Saab CAN-BUS language out to get this working.

Matt @ JKM

It should be close the Vectra one.... they are basically the same car.

Terran

[teamCBA]

You could do with some installers in the West Midlands. I'm sure you could find some on here from that area with the skill

[ccsnet]

Matt - Any updates and did you have chance to look at those chips ? I'm now a proud owner of CF2 so I'm looking forward to getting my hands on your kit.

Terran